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Old May 28, 2010, 03:36 PM // 15:36   #21
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Pretty sure the main issue here is PvE skills being changed b/c of PvP issues. Ofc it makes sense to change things for the masses b/c few cry so loud. /sarcasm
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Old May 28, 2010, 03:51 PM // 15:51   #22
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You want return a non-elite skill to elite power? no thanks.

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Old May 28, 2010, 04:00 PM // 16:00   #23
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omg wow, mind wrack still is very strong, stop crying
Im pretty sure no one is crying.

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Pretty sure the main issue here is PvE skills being changed b/c of PvP issues.
Yea, that is the issue. In the same way it is not right to change skills in pvp because of pve issues, it isnt right to change skills in pve because of pve issues. There was no reason they couldn't have split the skill.

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You want return a non-elite skill to elite power? no thanks.
Are we both talking about the same format? We are both talking about PvE, right? The skill was definitely not elite power in the PvE format since the energy denial was pretty much useless and the damage was single target. There is no need to exagerate.

Like I said before, I dont think this is a very big issue. It really isnt all that big of a deal. Its not anything to cry about. What I am saying is that the skill was not overpowered in PvE, and yet it was nerfed there anyways because of issues in PvP. That just doesnt make sense... at all.
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Old May 28, 2010, 07:10 PM // 19:10   #24
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I was of the impression that Mind Wrack was abused primarily with non-hex skills anyway. what's the big deal?
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Old May 28, 2010, 07:34 PM // 19:34   #25
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buff the damage remove the - energy and damage per damage loss
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Old May 28, 2010, 08:56 PM // 20:56   #26
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What are you talking about man. Its a cheaper non elite mirror of ice for mesmers.... I see nothing wrong with this skill.
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I preferred it as it was between last week's buff and this week's nerf. It rewarded focussing on one enemy and spiking them (and the rest of the enemies balled up with them) down/shutting them down, which is a playstyle that the mesmer previously lacked and is one which works very well in HM PvE. Now that hexes such as Panic and Empathy no longer trigger it, hey ho back we go to tabbing through the off targets and hexing them instead, which isn't as valuable. Please revert for PvE.
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OK, so ill admit that it wasnt nerfed to oblivion... but really now. Does anyone here actually believe that a mind wrack that activated on Wastrel's worry, wastrel's demise, etc. is overpowered in PvE? The nerf may have been a minor one but it still was an unnecessary nerf for a skill that didnt need one.

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Wasn't nerfed to oblivion, still strong enough to see use. No effort should be put forth to revert it for pve because of minor complaints.
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omg wow, mind wrack still is very strong, stop crying
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I was of the impression that Mind Wrack was abused primarily with non-hex skills anyway. what's the big deal?
The deal is, take any bit of power away from a skill, and no matter how strong it still is, bad players will come on guru and make a thread to have it fixed/buffed/etc.
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Old May 28, 2010, 09:20 PM // 21:20   #27
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And there's always someone to turn it down because they're too cool.
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Old May 28, 2010, 09:36 PM // 21:36   #28
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Yeah, i'm too cool to let myself be baed and just whine for buffs/reverts instead of just using different skills/modifying my builds to deal with skill changes.
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Old May 28, 2010, 10:02 PM // 22:02   #29
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MW needs a complete rollback in pvp, it's still OP as hell.

It's fine the way it is in pve

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Old May 28, 2010, 10:05 PM // 22:05   #30
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The skill is still plenty strong enough.
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Old May 28, 2010, 10:12 PM // 22:12   #31
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Yeah, i'm too cool to let myself be baed and just whine for buffs/reverts instead of just using different skills/modifying my builds to deal with skill changes.
Dealing with changes and not agreeing with them are too different things. In this case, the change was completely unnecessary.
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Old May 28, 2010, 10:26 PM // 22:26   #32
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Dealing with changes and not agreeing with them are too different things. In this case, the change was completely unnecessary.
Necessary or not, the change had little effect on the effectiveness of the skill.
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Old May 28, 2010, 10:46 PM // 22:46   #33
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Hell, and here I was using mindwreck pre nerf patch with interrupts.

Oh wait, my build is still just as good as before.... Clearly not "nerfed to oblivion."
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Old May 29, 2010, 01:20 AM // 01:20   #34
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The nerf was necessary because of the 1/4 cast spammable spells and that it stacked strongly with Soul Barbs.
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Old May 29, 2010, 02:04 AM // 02:04   #35
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Mesmers have a lot of hexes.
Really, you think they do?
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Old May 29, 2010, 03:17 PM // 15:17   #36
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The nerf was necessary because of the 1/4 cast spammable spells and that it stacked strongly with Soul Barbs.
You didn't read the thread or the original post did you? Nobody that I know of uses Soul Barbs in PvE.
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The current iteration is fine as is, abuse other OP stuff.
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Old May 30, 2010, 08:23 AM // 08:23   #38
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Nobody that I know of uses Soul Barbs in PvE.
you know everyone huh?
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Old May 30, 2010, 08:47 AM // 08:47   #39
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NERF IT MORE IMHO....PvP it is still Op. Get two mind surge mesmers in 4v4 arena and you are screwed if you are a monk. Weapon swap or not. They will catch you in a wep swap eventually then you are totally screwed..MY ENERGY IS 0 OF 71!!!! Hi, im your useless dying monk!!!!!
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Old May 30, 2010, 04:11 PM // 16:11   #40
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I would have titled this thread differently if I knew that people wouldn't read the thread and that I can't change the thread title.
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